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Asad wrote:
Interesting article.
While I don't agree with your evaluation of American influence, I do agree that problems exist.
When is America policing the world right? When is it wrong? You repeatedly ask why America doesn't passes resolutions (assuming in UN) for certain countries. Won't that ultimately amount to policing and challenging the sovereignty of said nations?
I think we must carefully separate extremism and fundamentalism. I follow the fundamental of Islam. This rightly makes me a fundamentalist. However, how rigid I am in having a narrow minded view of my religion is extremism.
Fundamentalism is not bad, per se. It is motivating and allows you to work in a framework which you know has worked before for millions of other followers of your religion. However, extremism should be avoided. One must have an open mind for critique.
I am a Pakistani. I have experienced first hand how America's actions have yielded good and bad results. At this point, I also consider it important to separate the government and the people. More often than not, both think in a different manner.
Religion has no doubt been used to instigate and exploit but to some extent, it is our own fault for letting other play with our religion. It is also our fault to stay silent when people twist Quran and Hadees to mean something which they don't. We just need to have a proactive attitude to counter this. Spread the truth and it will make itself known.
In our dislike of America or Musharraf, we bring in changes which aren't for Pakistan's good. That is plain stupidity. Don't be blind in your dislike.
While I don't agree with your evaluation of American influence, I do agree that problems exist.
When is America policing the world right? When is it wrong? You repeatedly ask why America doesn't passes resolutions (assuming in UN) for certain countries. Won't that ultimately amount to policing and challenging the sovereignty of said nations?
I think we must carefully separate extremism and fundamentalism. I follow the fundamental of Islam. This rightly makes me a fundamentalist. However, how rigid I am in having a narrow minded view of my religion is extremism.
Fundamentalism is not bad, per se. It is motivating and allows you to work in a framework which you know has worked before for millions of other followers of your religion. However, extremism should be avoided. One must have an open mind for critique.
I am a Pakistani. I have experienced first hand how America's actions have yielded good and bad results. At this point, I also consider it important to separate the government and the people. More often than not, both think in a different manner.
Religion has no doubt been used to instigate and exploit but to some extent, it is our own fault for letting other play with our religion. It is also our fault to stay silent when people twist Quran and Hadees to mean something which they don't. We just need to have a proactive attitude to counter this. Spread the truth and it will make itself known.
In our dislike of America or Musharraf, we bring in changes which aren't for Pakistan's good. That is plain stupidity. Don't be blind in your dislike.
11/03 17:31:58
Muhammad Qasim Pasta wrote:
@Asad!
Think one step ahead.... I dont agree with the definition of "extremist" or "fundamentalist" ... why do we need these definitions? a definition of Muslim is not enough for us?
Ok! now think one step ahead... why does Israel consider us as an enemy? Don't say that they don't .... Russia , they too! and what will you say about jewish? and their influence in white house?
Think one step ahead.... I dont agree with the definition of "extremist" or "fundamentalist" ... why do we need these definitions? a definition of Muslim is not enough for us?
Ok! now think one step ahead... why does Israel consider us as an enemy? Don't say that they don't .... Russia , they too! and what will you say about jewish? and their influence in white house?
11/03 22:12:39
Asad wrote:
@ MQP:
Sure, that is your prerogative to not to agree with the definition. It's a play of words, but an important one.
We, as Muslims, need to understand our own selves. A self discovery, if you would call it that.
Israel has a couple reasons for hating us. I won't comment much on their validity since for me, most of them are invalid and mere propaganda.
About Jewish influence in the White house, there is no denying it. Just read up on AIPAC and how they influence American policies. Sometimes, I think the US government does more to help Israel than care for its own citizens. They take the hate of the world for a country which has virtually never benefited them, at least as much as the relationship goes the other way. The mere military aid is mind boggling.
But I also think credit is due to them for coming and then keeping themselves in a position where they can safeguard themselves while going to any extent possible to do it.
Sure, that is your prerogative to not to agree with the definition. It's a play of words, but an important one.
We, as Muslims, need to understand our own selves. A self discovery, if you would call it that.
Israel has a couple reasons for hating us. I won't comment much on their validity since for me, most of them are invalid and mere propaganda.
About Jewish influence in the White house, there is no denying it. Just read up on AIPAC and how they influence American policies. Sometimes, I think the US government does more to help Israel than care for its own citizens. They take the hate of the world for a country which has virtually never benefited them, at least as much as the relationship goes the other way. The mere military aid is mind boggling.
But I also think credit is due to them for coming and then keeping themselves in a position where they can safeguard themselves while going to any extent possible to do it.
11/03 23:16:55
11/03: Enlightened Moderation: A Critics Approach
I am a Muslim who is wandering in a midst of adversaries bullying me, and I seek for justice and refuge, I am tattered and hopeless until I am taught a new chapter “Enlightened Moderation” that allows me to sip the injustice that I face with a lot tranquil a lot patience and makes me even more indifferent to what’s happening around me. The definition of the keyword requires Muslims to broaden their thinking horizons, westernising their thoughts, liberalizing their perceptions, accepting the West’s tyranny against other Muslims and finding out better translations for the scriptures we have so as to imply to the world that we are much more giving then you guys think. As I reprimand, I am persuaded that this definition is in atonement to the Holy Scriptures and while I search for my nosiness I find it no where in the Holy Book. Its not that I am visually impaired or some optical physics have defied when I scan through the calligraphy, it’s just that it doesn’t exist. It never existed.“Enlightened Moderation” as my leaders my saviors call it is a dogma that was created under the curb of America so that they could make each Muslim realize that whatever they do against our Muslim compatriots is justified. Justified because they don’t come under the umbrella of enlightened Islam and establishing its credibility by connecting the dots back to our Islamic lineage. This is a forced definition ladies and gentlemen that has overwhelmed the Muslim Ummah since 9/11 so the US could bag more Muslim countries widening there scope of targets and in tandem giving us patience pills which have “Enlightened Moderation” written on them which in effect have made us more impalpable.
Back in 1970’s an outrageous group of guerillas aiming for the liberation of the eastern and northern province of Srilanka came into being, registering into the fraternity of terrorists by the name of Tamil Tigers. Mediation of Indians for the peace-keeping effort led to the killing of there Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi in 1991 by a female suicide bomber. Now they aren’t labelled extremists by America. Why doesn’t America finds out a peace resolution for them? Why aren’t they titled ‘extremists’, just because they are oil-less.
Now in another instance where terrorism has reached pinnacle and survival of mankind is at stake is Sierre Leone. The African country has one of the richest diamond reserves that contribute very minimal to the country’s economy because of the smuggling of these diamonds by local terrorists to international diamond vendors. America wouldn’t resolve this.
Why we Muslims are termed extremists, does inundation of a state with oil qualifies it for the definition of extremists or fundamentalists. Even if we are Muslim fundamentalists what harm does it pose to Pentagon? Knowing what the basics of ones religion are, apparently and logically sets no threat at all. It must be realized that militants in Afghanistan who fought against Soviet under America’s direction were chosen because they had ideal geographical placing making it strategically ideal to impeach Soviet. They were Muslims coincidentally and this doesn’t make every Muslim fundamentalist an extremist. Religion was immaterial at that point in time since America had wanted frenzied manpower whose aggression would turn into maximum rampage. Even if the Al-Qaeda was atheist they would have been utilized the same way, in this case what sort of fundamentalism would have they been blamed for to capture their oil today? Some sort of Darwinism that needs to be redefined that even might not exists? What sort of moderation would they have been suggested. I don’t want to plunge into any blasphemy. All I am trying is to say that religions don’t have any role in curbing extremists or gruesome civilizations, it’s the superpowers that create them, associate them with there religions and further exploit them in terms of materials, disunite them so they don’t rise up and to hide public trials set dogmas for societies and definitions which are completely convincing to the victims.
I am a staunch believer of the fact that our religion is inherently enlightening; we don’t expect dictations on how to follow it or maybe customize it so America finds it great for its foreign policies and so that at the end of the day he is more acceptable.
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